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SMK Damansara Jaya Debate 2010

Siew Sanz, Keefe, Leannza, Alynna, Abhilaash

Elena, Sophia, Andrew, Daniel, [Tim Sim in absentia]

*all pictures stolen from Sophia

So the SMK Damansara Jaya debate team went to UKM Intervarsity and broke 8th, pipping other university teams to reach the quarterfinals 🙂

Well kinda sorta. Because Keefe and I debated for SMKDJ. But I assure you that our combined age was the lowest out of all the breaking teams! (17 [Sophia] + 17 [Keefe] + 22 [Andrew] = 56 [!])

We didn’t expect to break at all! After all five preliminary rounds in two days, the tab team surprised us by announcing the break to the Quarterfinals the very night of Day 2 (usual tab teams choose to be smart/bitchy: announcing the break the next day to ensure that people actually come). And so the tab team went:

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Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

St Michael’s Institution, Ipoh (SMI) defeated SMK La Salle Petaling Jaya to win HELP University College’s Tan Sri Datuk Paduka Dr Hajjah Saleha Debate Cup 2010.

Congrats!

St Michael’s was previously national runners-up for HELP (2006, 2005) and Wira a couple of years back, and I think this is their first trophy in many years.Very nice!

(I’ve never gotten over these debate competitions and their grandiloquent names)

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Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

Year Datuk Wira Taylor’s HELP IIUM

Tan Sri Datuk Wira Abdul Rahman Arshad Debate Cup Taylor’s College Annual Inter-School Debate Competition Tan Sri Datuk Paduka Dr Hajjah Saleha Debate Cup IIUM Interschool Debating Championship
2010 St Michael’s Institution, Perak Methodist Boys’ School, Kuala Lumpur
2009 SMK Convent Ipoh, Perak SMK King George V,
Negeri Sembilan
SMK Green Road,  Sarawak
2008 SMK Damansara
Jaya
SMK Seafield, Selangor SMK Damansara Jaya Sekolah Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Perak
2007 SMK Lok Yuk, Sabah SMK Bukit Bandaraya, Kuala Lumpur SMK Taman SEA, Selangor Sekolah Alam Shah, Putrajaya
2006 Batu Pahat High School, Johor SMK Damansara Jaya SMK Damansara Jaya St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2005 SMK Sultan Abu Bakar, Pahang SMK Damansara Jaya Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2004 Tsung Tsin High School, Sabah SMK La Salle PJ, Selangor SMK Damansara Jaya St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2003 SMK Damansara Jaya SMK Assunta, Selangor SMK Subang Utama, Selangor Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur
2002 SMK Convent Bukit Nanas, Kuala Lumpur SMK Damansara Jaya
2001 SMK Damansara Jaya Sekolah Sri Garden, Kuala Lumpur
2000 Combined Team,Sabah SMK Damansara Jaya

*repeat winners are colour-bolded

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Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

Methodist Boys’ School Kuala Lumpur (MBSKL) defeated SMK Damansara Utama (SMKDU) to win the IIUM Interschool Debating Championship 2010.

Congrats!

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Added April 23:

Last Tuesday, the 9th IIUM Inter-School Debating Championship (English category) ended. The championship was won by SK (L) Methodist Kuala Lumpur. They defeated SMK Damansara Utama with a split decision of 6-3. The nine adjdudicators at the grand finals were Irzal, Azrul, Khalidah, Mizan, Ian Howell, Adiba, Don, Izzat and Alex MMUM. The motion of the grand finals was ‘THBT the face veil is just as much a symbol of female empowerment as the miniskirt’.

I adjudicated a few rounds during the weekends as well as on Monday morning. Overall I felt that the quality of debaters has slightly dropped in comparison to previous years. I also felt that there is an apparent difference in quality from to daily schools to the premier schools (SBP and MRSM). I feel that the daily schools are a lot more sound in persuading their cause or points. I had a chat with a good friend of mine via FB, who is also the the DCA (Irzal Kamal) for the championship. Below is the conversation that we had:

(read more here)

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Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

Year Datuk Wira Taylor’s HELP IIUM

Tan Sri Datuk Wira Abdul Rahman Arshad Debate Cup Taylor’s College Annual Inter-School Debate Competition Tan Sri Datuk Paduka Dr Hajjah Saleha Debate Cup IIUM Interschool Debating Championship
2010 Methodist Boys’ School, Kuala Lumpur
2009 SMK Convent Ipoh, Perak SMK King George V,
Negeri Sembilan
SMK Green Road,  Sarawak
2008 SMK Damansara
Jaya
SMK Seafield, Selangor SMK Damansara Jaya Sekolah Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Perak
2007 SMK Lok Yuk, Sabah SMK Bukit Bandaraya, Kuala Lumpur SMK Taman SEA, Selangor Sekolah Alam Shah, Putrajaya
2006 Batu Pahat High School, Johor SMK Damansara Jaya SMK Damansara Jaya St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2005 SMK Sultan Abu Bakar, Pahang SMK Damansara Jaya Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2004 Tsung Tsin High School, Sabah SMK La Salle PJ, Selangor SMK Damansara Jaya St Xavier’s Institution, Penang
2003 SMK Damansara Jaya SMK Assunta, Selangor SMK Subang Utama, Selangor Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur
2002 SMK Convent Bukit Nanas, Kuala Lumpur SMK Damansara Jaya
2001 SMK Damansara Jaya Sekolah Sri Garden, Kuala Lumpur
2000 Combined Team,Sabah SMK Damansara Jaya

*repeat winners are colour-bolded

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Tan Sri Datuk Wira Abdul Rahman Arshad Debate Cup 2010

Come I tell you all a joke!

So rumours are that Wira will be cancelled this year.

Because our kementerian is out of moolah.

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But that’s not the joke.

The joke is that Piala Perdana Menteri isn’t cancelled.

The punch line is that we can give millions to Rosmah to burn for her ridiculous programs [RM 20 million for 100-300 students], but we cancel Wira, along with 11 out of 24 MSSM sports (archery, bowling, chess, cricket, cross country, handball, rugby, sailing, softball, squash, and table tennis) to “save” RM 4.5 million from a 6-mil original budget, we send boarding school kids back to their homes because we can’t provide food for them on weekends, and we switch off the fucking lights in our students’ study rooms because we need to fucking save on electricity.

So funny right!

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Oxbridge Debate

Today I was pleasantly surprised at the honesty and courage of young Malaysians.

So it is commonly known (in the right circles) that the Oxford-Cambridge debates in Malaysia are generally substandard. This year’s was no exception, and I went not expecting anything. 🙂

What was different this year, however, was the audience participation.

A few of them stood up and expressed their disappointment with the debate. One of them said something to the effect of the debate “being of lower secondary school standard,” and that they expected so much more from Oxbridge students; glamour, prestige, and all. Other comments included the overemphasis on trivialities and specifics rather than general, more pertinent points and arguments.

In all honesty the kids were absolutely right: there was a (not-so) shocking lack of analysis and argumentation from both teams. There was no clash: both teams failed to grasp their rival’s points and either brushed the arguments off or constructed strawman arguments. Bad debating.

The kids were really confident and assertive in speaking out and critiquing the mediocre performance of both teams. It was actually quite cute! And mind you, these are secondary school/pre-University kids!

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So in general the audience feedback was quite scathing lah.

One part of me was so proud of them for being so courageous! Criticising Oxbridge students man in front of the entire floor. Got balls. I like.

The other part of me was cringing for the poor debaters on stage. 🙂 Quite painful lah, to receive public criticism. I think some of the kids were hell bent on humiliating the debaters because they expected “an intense & fiery intellectual discourse.” Ouch.

In the long term, I think this bodes well for Malaysia and for Malaysian debate. I think we can expect Oxbridge to give us a better debate next year, or rightly face the wrath of these kids who tolerate no incompetency and give no quarter. 😉

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about time

Kementerian Pelajaran bercadang memberi biasiswa penuh kepada pelajar yang muncul johan Pertandingan Bahas Piala Perdana Menteri (PPM) apabila mereka melanjutkan pelajaran ke universiti tempatan…

  1. Cadangan ini tidak berkesan sangat, kerana para pemenang berkemungkinan besar akan diberi biasiswa ke universiti luar negara. If you’re smart and you go to a PPM school, you will be head-hunted.
  2. Kenapa hanya PPM? PPM < Wira. And Wira < HELP < IIUM, in terms of competitiveness, caliber, and all-round debate goodness. Kedua-dua perbahasan PPM dan Wira merupakan pertandingan yang dianjurkan oleh kementerian. Jika biasiswa hanya diberikan kepada pemenang PPM, cadangan ini merupakan sesuatu idea yang elitis dan tidak adil, sememangnya kerana perbahasan Wira lebih kompetitif (bilangan sekolah yang jauh lebih banyak) dan representatif (kawasan geografi yang lebih luas).

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Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

Congratulations SMK Convent Ipoh (also known as Main Convent), Perak for winning the 2009 Datuk Wira Abdul Rahman Arshad National Debate Cup!

HELP Debate 2009 champions SMK King George V were national runners-up, and I suspect that both were composed of the same debaters. Good job!


Malaysia National Debating Championships Winners

Year

Datuk Wira

Taylor‘s

HELP

IIUM

2009

SMK Convent Ipoh, Perak

SMK King George V,
Negeri Sembilan

SMK Green Road,  Sarawak

2008

SMK Damansara
Jaya

SMK Seafield, Selangor

SMK Damansara Jaya

Sekolah Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Perak

2007

SMK Lok Yuk, Sabah

SMK Bukit Bandaraya, KL

SMK Taman SEA, Selangor

Sekolah Alam Shah, Putrajaya

2006

Batu Pahat High School, Johor

SMK Damansara Jaya

SMK Damansara Jaya

St Xavier’s Institution, Penang

2005

SMK Sultan Abu Bakar, Pahang

SMK Damansara Jaya

Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur

St Xavier’s Institution, Penang

2004

Tsung Tsin High School, Sabah

SMK La Salle PJ, Selangor

SMK Damansara Jaya

St Xavier’s Institution, Penang

2003

SMK Damansara Jaya

SMK Assunta, Selangor

SMK Subang Utama, Selangor

Royal Military College, Kuala Lumpur

2002

SMK Convent Bukit Nanas, Kuala Lumpur

SMK Damansara Jaya

2001

SMK Damansara Jaya

Sekolah Sri Garden, Kuala Lumpur

2000

Combined Team,Sabah

SMK Damansara Jaya

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Note that this is just about the first year when there have been no winners from the Klang Valley! Hahaha. It is the year of the underdogs; the year of the other Malaysia. Love it.

The hegemonic center of debating power is finally weakened man. Yay Perak, Sarawak, and Negeri Sembilan.

What we (hopefully) see is a gradual democritization of debate from some elite plaything of urban, Anglicized KL-PJ kids to a truly competitive exercise in mental and verbal jousting. 🙂

Also this is the second year in 10 years that SMKDJ hasn’t won a national title. Oh well. 🙂

So in the last ten years there have been, crudely speaking, 33 national debates. This is not exactly accurate as Taylor’s and the early stages of HELP and IIUM were mostly regional debates and thus Klang Valley-centric.

SMK Damansara Jaya alone has 10 titles, and if it were a state all by itself it would be on top of the list. 😉

Analysis by state:

Selangor: 15

Kuala Lumpur:  5

Penang: 3

Sabah: 3

Perak: 2

Johor: 1

Negeri Sembilan: 1

Pahang: 1

Putrajaya: 1

Sarawak: 1

So despite this year the Selangor-KL dominance is still pretty obvious.

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Here is a video summary of the debate:

This year’s Wira was really early! Surprising.

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